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Was Cablevision Right to Pull WPIX 11? [Poll]

Cable company in dispute with broadcast station's parent over cost of carriage.

Cablevision has pulled WPIX 11, along with three other stations owned by the Tribune Company, over a dispute about getting a new carriage agreement.

"Tribune and their hedge fund owners are demanding tens of millions in new fees for WPIX and other stations they own," Cablevision said in a statement, which was published by The Wall Street Journal, Associated Press and other media outlets. That statement, according to various published reports, added that Tribune is "trying to solve Tribune's financial problems on the backs of Cablevision customers."

Tribune counters that Cablevision unfairly pulled the channel.

“Tonight, while in the middle of negotiations with Tribune and without warning, Cablevision unilaterally removed four Tribune stations in four markets from its cable systems," according to a statment posted on the company's website. "Cablevison took this action despite our offer of an unconditional extension of the current carriage agreement with no change in terms while negotiations continued.  To be clear, Tribune was willing to provide Cablevision subscribers access to the valuable programming on these stations while working toward a new agreement.  Tribune never made any threat to withdraw these stations or any demand that Cablevision remove them."

Tribune also added, in its online statement, that Cablevision is not paying its fair share.

“Tribune makes a substantial annual investment in local news, live sports and high-quality entertainment programming.  Cablevision has never compensated Tribune for the retransmission of its local stations, which are among the most highly watched channels on Cablevision’s line-ups.  What we have proposed amounts to less than a penny a day per subscriber, well below what Cablevision pays to providers of less well-watched channels."

Some have felt that losing PIX is unfair given that customers pay to see it for their cable service.

Nicole Saracino, a Mount Kisco resident, was among them, feeling that it's a shame customers are not getting the service that they paid.

"They fight like this all the time," said Scott Meyer, a Hartsdale resident. He felt that both sides were being greedy.

Editor's Note: Patch has a partnership with PIX 11, called "Patch on PIX," where the station features major stories from Patch sites in New York, New Jersey and Connecticut. This story has also been updated to reflect person-on-the-street reactions.

What do you think? Is Cablevision right to drop WPIX, or is it being unreasonable? Vote in our poll and sound off in our comments section.

Bill September 16, 2012 at 05:23 am
NYC, I'm pretty sure that all CV systems are now fully encrypted.
claire borrero September 18, 2012 at 09:46 pm
We have about 3,207 signatures for changing from cablevision to directv. We are all completely done with cable. It's cheaper too. Screw news channel 12....I look my news up online. The phone is cheaper and the internet is cheaper. Look around for your area...you'll be paying way less for sure.
NYC September 21, 2012 at 01:15 am
Bill, just heard from a Cablevision subscriber still in the 'burbs. Even though the local system they subscribe to went digital, they can still tune in about 40 channels without a cable box, by attaching the incoming cable wire directly to the set and bypassing the box.
NYC September 21, 2012 at 01:23 am
All of the introductory offers from the different services are amazing. Once your promotional rate is up in a year (or perhaps two if you are lucky), be prepared for a sizeable hike in your monthly rate. And also the possibility of having channels vanish. Recently DirecTV had lost a number of Viacom cannels -- see:
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jul/16/entertainment/la-et-ct-nickratings-20120716 and also http://auburnjournal.com/detail/212787.html
Ellen829 September 21, 2012 at 01:44 am
For those of whom believe that Verizon broadcasting is new...it is not. It might be in your community but for those in Northern NJ and a number of Southern NY suburbian towns, it's been around for several years. I don't recall a single time where a network has been pulled due to contract disagreements while having FIOS service. Next to no service interruption and a fanastic picture keep me loyal, and that doesn't even touch upon their superfast internet connections. Roll the land line AND cell phone in for a quad plan and it's a pretty nice package (and no; I absolutely do not work for Verizon!).
Bill September 21, 2012 at 01:55 am
So you switch back to the other provider for their introductory rate, or you sign up for a new bundle with the current provider and you might pay a little more but not regular price. Or you call the retention department and ask what they can do to keep you as a customer. I reupped with Verizon a few months ago and got a $250 Visa gift card for agreeing to a new 2 year contract. And my price did not go up from the previous amount.
Bill September 21, 2012 at 02:43 am
I don't think they offer the quad bundles anymore, but you can link your cell phone with "One-Bill" and should have calls to/from your home and cell phones be considered in-network (i.e., free). That's how it works for me. A couple of years ago they were offering an extra $10 discount if you did the quad bundle.
Bill September 21, 2012 at 02:47 am
And yes, I really love Verizon FiOS. Much more reliable than Cablevision (oops, they call themselves Optimum now) and faster. I had a terrible TV signal from CV, I was convinced there was a problem with my internal wiring. I'd even had CV out to look at it and they boosted the signal and I still had problems. Then Verizon installed over the same exact wiring (literally, they hooked it up to the outside connection where CV was connected) and the picture is perfect.
NYC September 21, 2012 at 10:32 pm
Carriage agreements have terms that span many years. Verizon's agreements still have some time to go. Every other system, cable systems all across America as well as both satellite systems have had issues with program providers. I assure you that Verizon will have issues as well. Just give it time for their agreements to come up for a renewal.
NYC September 21, 2012 at 10:43 pm
I'm curious about what results you will have with your signatures. Are you planning to walk in to your local Cablevision office and present your petitions? The folks at the local centers are powerless in the negotiations, as that is handled out of the main office. Cablevision has already calculated the fact that subscribers will be unhappy and they know that they are going to see customers dropping services and switching. I think that they might offer something in exchange, but my hunch is that is all they can do at the local level.
tami newman September 22, 2012 at 07:30 pm
There is a petition on change.org about the blackout. The more signatures we have the better it will be to get WPIX/CW back. The petition is called Cablevision: Bring Back PIX11. Please sign and ask your Facebook and Twitter friends to join the petition. Maybe they will get the station back before the new season starts. Hopefully.
Amy Love September 24, 2012 at 11:30 am
good joke love it lol ...
NYC September 24, 2012 at 04:27 pm
Just give it time. We'll see who laughs last!
NYC September 24, 2012 at 04:45 pm
TaDa! Here it is -- Channels pulled from Verizon FiOS Television service as a result of a breakdown in negotiations! Here is one:
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2012/01/syracuses_wsyr_channel_9_block.html Here is another: http://www.broadbandreports.com/forum/r26251034-FIOS-TV-Tennis-channel-being-dropped- And another: http://forums.verizon.com/t5/FiOS-TV-Programming/Funimation-Canceled/td-p/408359/page/25 and there's more: http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2011-12-19/entertainment/bal-sinclair-using-its-baltimore-airwaves-in-negotiations-with-verizon-20111219_1_fios-subscribers-verizon-fios-verizon-s-fios and still more: http://www.fidosysop.org/2793/12/wfla-8-tampa-bay-coverage-may-end-on-verizon-fios-system/ Only a matter of time!
Ellen829 September 24, 2012 at 05:10 pm
Granted; all contracts between broadcaster and provider will come up for renewal eventually, but it all depends on how civilized the two parties are while they work through negotiations. I happened to have checked the internet for random issues where Verizon and a particular broadcaster were under negotiation, and in both instances I had read about, the parties managed to work things out prior to the deadline; as a result, a blackout never occurred. I think to have a major network blackout last this long is just disgraceful. Cablevision has been losing ground to FIOS prior to this disagreement and should think twice about perpetuating this feud.
Aidan September 24, 2012 at 08:22 pm
I intend to do the same. Sick of the yearly hold-up: "We're increasing your package coast by just $15. Go and thank the stars."
Next rate hike ... by even a dime ... and I am GONE from CableVision.
Aidan September 24, 2012 at 08:24 pm
The LOG! Jesus, can there be Christmas without that video flame-out?
NYC September 24, 2012 at 10:41 pm
I agree. We need to get after the FCC, and more importantly contact our federal representatives to get after the FCC to step into negotiations. I agree with the cable and satellite services that there is a line that should not be crossed, programming fees need to be reasonable. Networks should plan to get most of their operating budget through the sale of advertising and not from the viewer. More importantly, viewers are not to be held as pawns during negotiations. When talks reach an impass, an impartial mediator needs to step in.
And there really is no one service that is immune from such blackouts. As I pointed out in another message above, FiOS has had blackouts in several cities -- including one where an ABC affiliate was able to reach a deal with every other television cable/satellite service except for FiOS. It is only a matter of time before such a disagreement happens in this area -- unless the FCC ever decides to, or is forced to, step in. Just my .02
Leo Zucker October 2, 2012 at 08:59 pm
I thouight as a condition for allowing a cable or satellite TV provider to service a given community, the provider MUST deliver the programming of all the local terrestrial (over the air) TV stations to its subscribers. This would include WPIX-TV which covers the metro NYC market. Time to put up the antennas once again!
Leo Zucker October 2, 2012 at 09:34 pm
Re the above, this is from the Seattle Times/Bus & Tech section, 5/17/2010
" WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court has declined to take up a challenge from cable television operators to the 18-year-old requirement that they carry local broadcast stations on their systems. The justices rejected an appeal Monday from Cablevision Systems Corp. The court upheld a federal "must carry" law, enacted in 1992 when cable TV systems faced much less competition than they do today. Cablevision, the nation's fifth-largest cable TV operator, sued the Federal Communications Commission over its ruling that forced Cablevision to carry the signal of a distant home-shopping station on its Long Island cable systems. The federal appeals court in New York upheld the FCC's determination. Cablevision said in court papers that "the monopolistic nature of the cable industry...has been replaced by vibrant competition." The Obama administration urged the court to stay out of the case. It noted that being carried on cable systems "remains critical to broadcast stations' financial viability generally." C-SPAN, Discovery Communications and Time Warner Cable filed briefs in support of Cablevision. C-SPAN said 12 million cables homes lost all or some access to its programming when cable operators were forced to make room for broadcast stations in the 1990s. The station, WRNN is based in Kingston, N.Y., about 90 miles north of New York City. The case is Cablevision v. FCC, 09-901."
NYC October 4, 2012 at 09:12 pm
I agree that some stations are useless, airing nothing but advertising 95% of the time. It is the broadcaster's option to stay as a "must carry" station or try to negotiate a deal with the cable providers.
The sticking point between Cablevision and WPIX / Tribune is not just the amount the broadcaster is demanding to be paid, but according to published reports in a trade journal, Tribune is also trying to tie together their stations in Hartford and Waterbury as part of the deal.
NYC October 5, 2012 at 05:46 pm
Seems as if ratings for WPIX have dropped 30 to 40 percent,perhaps even more. PIX does not seem to have much of a chance of getting what they want, and with ratings in decline and also baseball season ending, I can't imagine why they are holding firm
Bill October 5, 2012 at 10:47 pm
They show Mets games, so I don't think the end of the season that will affect their ratings very much (and I am a Mets fan, so this is not an anti-Mets comment). On the other hand, it's one less thing that some people will have to complain about if they don't have PIX11.
Sam Giarrizzo October 12, 2012 at 09:10 pm
NYSBADAPPL
They have a right to charge what they want and Cablevision can pass the expence to the consumer. If cablevision is the only cable provider in the area then the people that don't allow us to choose a different company is the problem. If we had a choice of cable providers than we would be paying less (price wars). If you don't like it don't use it. We all pay crazy gas prices and if we don't then we walk. it's unfair but so is life.
NYC October 13, 2012 at 05:52 pm
Bill, exactly as you stated, I just meant that there are some very loyal Mets fans who wanted to watch, but the season is done and that is one less complaint.
Sam, what makes you think that Cablevision customers would want to pay for a channel that I can get perfectly well for free with a rabbit ear antenna? It is time to stand up to all of the program providers who want to nickel and dime us. We watch their shows and sit through their commercials. Why should they pick our pockets as well? Other stations get by perfectly well on their own, why should be be forced to bail out the rest?
Robert Perlberg October 16, 2012 at 08:00 pm
Arrow
Supernatural Beauty and the Beast Nikita If they would just move to a UHF frequency I'd be able to get them over the air again and that would solve a lot of problems.
NYC October 17, 2012 at 12:43 am
Most (if not all) of the prime time shows are on http://www.cwtv.com/
I think PIX also streams their local news on WPIX.com The syndicated shows like Seinfeld are on various cable networks.
Bill October 28, 2012 at 01:55 am
Surprised no one mentioned that Cablevision and Tribune finally settled and WPIX is back on the air.
http://www.newsday.com/entertainment/tv/tv-zone-1.811968/the-cw-is-back-on-cablevision-1.4158847
Michael Woyton (Editor) October 28, 2012 at 02:39 am
News 12 has partnered with Newsday, so Patch was out of the running.
Michael Woyton (Editor) October 28, 2012 at 02:41 am
http://patch.com/A-zbpf

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